I remember having a cigarette vending machine in our cafeteria at work and being able to smoke at my desk at work in this time period.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: MIKE POWELL to ARELOR on Sun Feb 01 2026 08:52 am

OK, that explains all fo the Amelia memes, etc., that appear on
social media. ;)

just saw this
https://streamable.com/dyyts3


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I just got a real ID in California - needed a birth certificate
and utility bill the first time. For an ID card, you would need
similar proof of identity and residency documentation.

I have one as well, but since I can no longer drive, when my drivers
license comes up for renewal, I may just get a Real ID as a State ID,
and not a drivers license.

With dry corneas causing blurred vision without warning, I had to
give up my independence and driving...and sell my car nearly 4 years
ago. At least I'm in no danger of going blind.

You still need Real ID to enter a government building, or to fly.
Not having one will cost you $45 at the gate -- like you haven't
already paid more than enough for your airline ticket.

Daryl

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They could have filled it with those candy cigarettes for kids
we used to have.

I remember those on Halloween over 55 years ago. That was the
closest I ever got to "smoking".

Speaking of which, I saw a meme on Facebook the other day:

Smoking will kill you.

Bacon will kill you.

Smoking Bacon will cure it.

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yep you'd get the full on 2nd hand smoke experience.

When I was in a bowling league 50 years ago, the smoke was so thick
in there, you thought you were getting cancer of the eyeballs...never
mind having a hard time seeing the pins...and your clothing reeked with
the smell of smoke.

Someone said they were going to do a study on the effects of second
hand flatulence, but they couldn't get any volunteers. <G>

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Daryl Stout wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

You still need Real ID to enter a government building, or to fly.
Not having one will cost you $45 at the gate -- like you haven't
already paid more than enough for your airline ticket.

I thought about skipping the whole real-ID thing and sticking with a
passport - which qualifies.


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Jim Singleton wrote to Nightfox <=-

I remember having a cigarette vending machine in our cafeteria at work
and being able to smoke at my desk at work in this time period.

My first boss, in the early '90s, used to regale us of stories of "work used to be". Smoking rooms, a "shine boy" for your shoes, coffee carts going from office to office. No voicemail, there were "the girls" in an office behind
the front desk that wrote down messages and put them up at the front desk.

Odd to think that he was about the same age I am now.

"Why, in my day, we didn't have email, if something was important, you'd
send a FAX!"


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You still need Real ID to enter a government building, or to fly.
Not having one will cost you $45 at the gate -- like you haven't
already paid more than enough for your airline ticket.

I thought about skipping the whole real-ID thing and sticking with a passport - which qualifies.

That is what I did, except now my passport has expired. I need to get it updated soon. I got one after they changed the rules about re-entering the
USA from Canada. As I have not had any Canada trips planned since COVID,
I forgot to renew it last year. :O

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It has nothing to do with anarchy, it has more to do with having appropriate resources. But the right called it "defunding the police", and that's where we are.

You were right about part of it, but not this part. The right picked it
up after hearing "non-right" protesters chant it. They also got the idea
that it meant taking *all* the money away from those on the "non-right"
who claimed that was what they indeed meant, even if it wasn't what the
more sane people on their side actually wanted.

If you don't want "the right" to call it "defunding" then don't put it on
your protest signs.

I lived and worked in San Francisco and Oakland for many years. I've seen people on the streets committing crimes, harassing people or leremy sleeping and panhandling that belonged in mental care facilities, not jail. In fact, many of them had been in institutions that could no longer afford to keep them.

We certainly need more facilities and not jail for most of these people.
Jail won't help them.

Because there's no mental health resources available, the cops get the call - and they're not well equipped to handle them.

Somewhat related but, for a while, here in Kentucky they would send out
social workers to do some of these things because they are supposedly
better equipped. The sad reality of doing so is that some of the people
they were calling on are, or turn, violent. After some of the social
workers got injured/murdered, they stopped doing that as they realized
the police are better equipped at dealing with them.

In some cases, IIRC, they were sending both and the social workers were
still being targeted.

It is a double-edged sword.

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I thought about skipping the whole real-ID thing and sticking
with a passport - which qualifies.

My passport expired, but I have the Real ID Drivers License, even
though I don't drive or have a car anymore, due to blurred vision
without warning, caused by dry corneas. That also means no car related expenses, but other things have taken its place.

Daryl

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I thought about skipping the whole real-ID thing and sticking with a passport - which qualifies.

I have Real-ID which is easier IMO - state drivers' lices and
"passport" all in one card.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Robert Wolfe to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Fri Feb 06 2026 12:40 pm

I thought about skipping the whole real-ID thing and sticking with a
passport - which qualifies.

I have Real-ID which is easier IMO - state drivers' lices and "passport" all in one card.

I suppose that would be easier if I'm not traveling internationally..

Speaking of which, my wife and I visited Europe in October (Paris, Edinburgh, and London); we visited Paris first and then flew to Edinburgh, and I was pleasantly surprised that going through the airport in Edinburgh was super easy. They have automated passport scanners there, so you just get in line, scan your passport, and you're on your way (assuming everything is all good; there's a turnstile that opens up once your passport is scanned successfully).

Nightfox

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My first boss, in the early '90s, used to regale us of stories of "work used to be". Smoking rooms, a "shine boy" for your shoes, coffee carts going from office to office. No voicemail, there were "the girls" in an office behind the front desk that wrote down messages and put them up at the front desk.

Odd to think that he was about the same age I am now.

"Why, in my day, we didn't have email, if something was important, you'd
send a FAX!"

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We still use a fax machine/copier in my office from time to time.

Jim Singleton
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I thought about skipping the whole real-ID thing and sticking with a passport - which qualifies.

I have Real-ID which is easier IMO - state drivers' lices and
"passport" all in one card.

Main reason I got a passport was that you need one to get back *into* the
USA after you visit Canada. That was over 10 years ago when I got it. I wonder if a Real ID would suffice now, or if you still need the passport?

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Main reason I got a passport was that you need one to get back *into* the USA after you visit Canada. That was over 10 years ago when I got it. I wonder if a Real ID would suffice now, or if you still need the

passport?

Real-ID suffices. My husband and I went to toronto last year and were
able tpo go both ways with ours.

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MIKE POWELL wrote to ROBERT WOLFE <=-

I thought about skipping the whole real-ID thing and sticking with a passport - which qualifies.

I have Real-ID which is easier IMO - state drivers' lices and
"passport" all in one card.

Main reason I got a passport was that you need one to get back *into*
the USA after you visit Canada. That was over 10 years ago when I got
it. I wonder if a Real ID would suffice now, or if you still need the passport?

You still need the passport now.




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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: MIKE POWELL to ROBERT WOLFE on Sat Feb 07 2026 08:28 am

I thought about skipping the whole real-ID thing and
sticking with a passport - which qualifies.

I have Real-ID which is easier IMO - state drivers' lices and
"passport" all in one card.

Main reason I got a passport was that you need one to get back *into*
the USA after you visit Canada. That was over 10 years ago when I
got it. I wonder if a Real ID would suffice now, or if you still
need the passport?

i would bring everything.


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Doctor Banks all still use them too ....

My first boss, in the early

'90s, used to regale us of stories of "work

used to be". Smoking rooms, a

"shine boy" for your shoes, coffee carts

going from office to office. No

voicemail, there were "the girls" in an

office behind the front desk that

wrote down messages and put them up at

the front desk.

Odd to

think that he was about the same age I am now.

"Why, in my day, we

didn't have email, if something was important, you'd

send a FAX!"

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We

still use a fax machine/copier in my office from time to time.

Jim

Singleton

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On 07 Feb 2026, MIKE POWELL said the following...

I thought about skipping the whole real-ID thing and sticking with a passport - which qualifies.

I have Real-ID which is easier IMO - state drivers' lices and "passport" all in one card.

Main reason I got a passport was that you need one to get back *into* the USA after you visit Canada. That was over 10 years ago when I got it. I wonder if a Real ID would suffice now, or if you still need the passport?

it's kind of funny, i live in Michigan and for a stretch i used to visit internet friends in Canada probably once a month or so and at that point all you needed to get into/back from Canada was your license and your birth certificate.

but the amount of times we'd go through there and they'd just ask "citizenship?" and send us along (potentially with one or two friends so wasted they can barely speak) without looking at anything was crazy. i guess it's not a surprise they're gung-ho about it after all that time.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: fusion to MIKE POWELL on Sun Feb 08 2026 05:41 am

Main reason I got a passport was that you need one to get back
*into* the USA after you visit Canada. That was over 10 years ago
when I got it. I wonder if a Real ID would suffice now, or if you
still need the passport?

My Uncle used to always warn us about the Government tracking everyone with a chip or an ID, we all thought he was just paranoid.


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Robert Wolfe wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

I have Real-ID which is easier IMO - state drivers' lices and
"passport" all in one card.

Speaking of passports, I didn't realize they had a passport card now -
no more passbooks. I'm surprised they rarely stamp passports any more.
With the card, I suppose they just scan it.



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Jim Singleton wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

We still use a fax machine/copier in my office from time to time.

I'm going through a thing at work where half of the older employees are
pushing to upgrade our multi-function printers, the other half wonder
why they're bothering.

I do like being able to scan paper copy to PDFs, though.



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Main reason I got a passport was that you need one to get back *into* the
USA after you visit Canada. That was over 10 years ago when I got it. I
wonder if a Real ID would suffice now, or if you still need the passport?

it's kind of funny, i live in Michigan and for a stretch i used to visit internet friends in Canada probably once a month or so and at that point all you needed to get into/back from Canada was your license and your birth certificate.

It is possible that I could have also done that but didn't want to carry my birth certificate, so I got a passport instead. I don't 100% remember now, though.

but the amount of times we'd go through there and they'd just ask "citizenship?" and send us along (potentially with one or two friends so waste
they can barely speak) without looking at anything was crazy. i guess it's not
a surprise they're gung-ho about it after all that time.

LOL, coming out of Canada into the USA in 2017, they had a bunch of mirrors
and stuff set up so they could see below the car. The guy barely looked at
my passport before sending me on... he was much more concerned with the car behind me that had entered the "no-man's zone." I would not have wanted to
be in that car as I would guess they got checked a lot closer.

That was at Port Huron, a somewhat busy crossing. Going into Canada, I
crossed the border south of Thunder Bay, ON. The Canadians were a little
more skeptical about why someone from Kentucky would be crossing there.
They took my passport and detained me maybe 20-30 minutes before asking me
a few questions about why I was there and where I was going. "Great Lakes Circle Tour" and naming some places off that I was visiting helped. They
were pretty nice about it.


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Main reason I got a passport was that you need one to get back *into* the USA after you visit Canada. That was over 10 years ago when I got it. I wonder if a Real ID would suffice now, or if you still need the

passport?

Real-ID suffices. My husband and I went to toronto last year and were
able tpo go both ways with ours.

Good to know, thanks!
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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Robert Wolfe <=-

Speaking of passports, I didn't realize they had a passport card now -
no more passbooks. I'm surprised they rarely stamp passports any more. With the card, I suppose they just scan it.

The card is nearly worthless... Not valid for any air travel, and can
only be used for land/sea travel to Mexico, Canada, and parts of the Caribbean.

The standard old PassBook is still the..... standard.




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They could have filled it with those candy cigarettes for kids
we used to have.

I remember those on Halloween over 55 years ago. That was the closest
I ever got to "smoking".

Speaking of which, I saw a meme on Facebook the other day:

Smoking will kill you.

Bacon will kill you.

Smoking Bacon will cure it.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Daryl Stout on Wed Feb 04 2026 03:13 pm

I thought about skipping the whole real-ID thing and sticking with a passport - which qualifies.

It'd be cool if when you renewed your passport, they'd give you a smaller 'passport card' for free that's just as good as a passport inside the U.S.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: MIKE POWELL to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Thu Feb 05 2026 08:30 am

Somewhat related but, for a while, here in Kentucky they would send out social workers to do some of these things because they are supposedly
better equipped. The sad reality of doing so is that some of the people they were calling on are, or turn, violent. After some of the social workers got injured/murdered, they stopped doing that as they realized
the police are better equipped at dealing with them.

Over here the same thing happened.. They send out social workers but sometimes they get attacked. The solution? Give the social workers guns, of course :). So now the DES office here has a nice big armory stocked for ... people trained on other matters.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Nozy to Jim Singleton on Sun Feb 08 2026 04:36 pm

Doctor Banks all still use them too ....

Dr. Banks, please report to the faxing room. Dr. Banks, to the faxing room.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Denn to fusion on Sun Feb 08 2026 08:15 am

My Uncle used to always warn us about the Government tracking everyone with chip or an ID, we all thought he was just paranoid.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jim Singleton on Sun Feb 08 2026 08:53 am

I do like being able to scan paper copy to PDFs, though.

You can easily do that with your phone. For Android, there are a couple open source apps that do it on F-Droid. Open Note Scanner is one. I forget what I used on IOS. There was one that gave you all the paid features for free if you had a .edu email address that I used, but I know there are truly free ones that work too.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jim Singleton on Sun Feb 08 2026 08:53 am

I'm going through a thing at work where half of the older employees are pushing to upgrade our multi-function printers, the other half wonder why they're bothering.

I do like being able to scan paper copy to PDFs, though.

So when you say they want to upgrade the multi-function printers, do you mean upgrade to better multi-function printers, or upgrade to printers that aren't able to scan?

I also like being able to scan paper to PDFs. Particularly when making big purchases, such as a house or a car, I thnk it's handy to have all the paperwork scanned in as a PDF. That makes it easier to look at later, as well as share or print copies of parts of it if you ever need to. I have a multi-function printer at home, and while I don't use it very often, it comes in handy sometimes.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: phigan to Denn on Mon Feb 09 2026 07:20 am

My Uncle used to always warn us about the Government tracking everyone with
chip or an ID, we all thought he was just paranoid.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

That's just what they want you to think. ;)

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: phigan to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Feb 09 2026 07:24 am

I do like being able to scan paper copy to PDFs, though.

You can easily do that with your phone. For Android, there are a couple open source apps that do it on F-Droid. Open Note Scanner is one. I forget what I used on IOS. There was one that gave you all the paid features for free if you had a .edu email address that I used, but I know there are truly free ones that work too.

Do those just take a photo of the pages though, or does it use OCR to get the text? And if any of the pages have inconsistent formatting or pictures, diagrams, etc. on them, how does it handle those?

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Nightfox to phigan on Mon Feb 09 2026 08:26 am

Do those just take a photo of the pages though, or does it use OCR to get th text? And if any of the pages have inconsistent formatting or pictures, diagrams, etc. on them, how does it handle those?

There are actually all kinds! Some will auto-zoom-and-adjust what they think the document is in the photo.. some will give you a box to select the corners of the document with yourself so that it can zoom in and adjust. Then some will go further and convert the picture to a totally white background to keep the size lower. And then there are some that have OCR features, but I think those are usually paid. I have a separate open source app for OCR, but I never really use it. Converting a zoomed in and fixed up photo of a doc to PDF is usually sufficient for me.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: phigan to Denn on Mon Feb 09 2026 07:20 am

My Uncle used to always warn us about the Government tracking everyone
with chip or an ID, we all thought he was just paranoid.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

I now think Uncle Jim was right!

Denn

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Main reason I got a passport was that you need one to get back
*into* the USA after you visit Canada. That was over 10 years ago
when I got it. I wonder if a Real ID would suffice now, or if you
still need the passport?

My Uncle used to always warn us about the Government tracking everyone with chip or an ID, we all thought he was just paranoid.

Something at the time made me skeptical about Real ID also. Since I don't fly, and had an active passport at the time, I did not get one. ;)

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: MIKE POWELL to DENN on Mon Feb 09 2026 09:00 am

My Uncle used to always warn us about the Government tracking everyone
with chip or an ID, we all thought he was just paranoid.

Something at the time made me skeptical about Real ID also. Since I don't fly, and had an active passport at the time, I did not get one. ;)

I don't have one yet, I suspect when I go to renew my drivers ID I won't havee a choice.

Denn

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Denn wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

I don't have one yet, I suspect when I go to renew my drivers ID I
won't havee a choice.

Good point - I don't think Real ID was required for driving, only for interstate travel where the US government wanted parity between state
IDs.

I wonder if you didn't have the proof of residency needed when you renew
what they'd do.



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³ Over here the same thing happened.. They send out social workers but sometimes
³ they get attacked. The solution? Give the social workers guns, of course :). So
³ now the DES office here has a nice big armory stocked for ... people trained on
³ other matters.
ÀÄ[P=>MP]

IIRC, they decided against arming the social workers here for that
reason... they were not trained and maybe didn't want to be.

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Good point - I don't think Real ID was required for driving, only for interstate travel where the US government wanted parity between state
IDs.

I wonder if you didn't have the proof of residency needed when you renew
what they'd do.

I don't know what they do now but when I renewed my license, the folkst
there wanting Real IDs that didn't follow directions and bring the
necessary documents were turned away.

I was getting the "non" Real ID version, and I brought the proper documentation, so I had no issues.

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MIKE POWELL wrote to ROBERT WOLFE <=-

I thought about skipping the whole real-ID thing and sticking with a passport - which qualifies.

I have Real-ID which is easier IMO - state drivers' lices and
"passport" all in one card.

Main reason I got a passport was that you need one to get back *into*
the USA after you visit Canada. That was over 10 years ago when I got
it. I wonder if a Real ID would suffice now, or if you still need the passport?

Some states have enhanced drivers/identification cards that can let you in
thru Canada without passport.

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phigan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Daryl Stout on Wed Feb 04 2026 03:13 pm

I thought about skipping the whole real-ID thing and sticking with a passport - which qualifies.

It'd be cool if when you renewed your passport, they'd give you a
smaller 'passport card' for free that's just as good as a passport
inside the U.S.

I think if the SAVE act is passed as law, the passport cards should be 50% off for the next five years for those who have income less than 300% the poverty level.


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MIKE POWELL wrote to DENN <=-

My Uncle used to always warn us about the Government tracking everyone with chip or an ID, we all thought he was just paranoid.

Something at the time made me skeptical about Real ID also. Since I
don't fly, and had an active passport at the time, I did not get one.
;)

I wish I could have undone getting a real-id. Just as much as I wish
I never got the covid shots.


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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Utopian Galt to MIKE POWELL on Fri Feb 13 2026 12:46 pm

MIKE POWELL wrote to DENN <=-

My Uncle used to always warn us about the Government tracking
everyone with chip or an ID, we all thought he was just paranoid.

Something at the time made me skeptical about Real ID also. Since
I don't fly, and had an active passport at the time, I did not get
one. ;)

I wish I could have undone getting a real-id. Just as much as I wish
I never got the covid shots.

you really shouldnt got covid shots. dont ever trust a free shot from the govt.


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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Utopian Galt to MIKE POWELL on Fri Feb 13 2026 12:46 pm

Some states have enhanced drivers/identification cards that can let you in thru Canada without passport.

Five of them.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Utopian Galt to phigan on Fri Feb 13 2026 12:46 pm

I think if the SAVE act is passed as law, the passport cards should be 50% off for the next five years for those who have income less than 300% the poverty level.

If alien voter fraud is an issue, then acceptable identification should be free.

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."

Otherwise, it's a poll tax.

If you don't make identification required to vote free, it's not protecting the vote, it's disenfranchising voters. Poor voters, who generally vote democratic.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Utopian Galt on Fri Feb 13 2026 04:41 pm

If alien voter fraud is an issue, then acceptable identification
should be free.

You can get free state id cards if you need it for voting, or if you are homeless or elderly.

If you don't make identification required to vote free, it's not
protecting the vote, it's disenfranchising voters. Poor voters,
who generally vote democratic.

you mean the ones who your people say are dumb and black and don't carry ID and can't use the internet, right?

this id argument is fucking retarded.
everyone has ID. there is never an issue with someone not having identification unless the person is crazy and destroyed it.

it's an argument created by racist democrats.


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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Utopian Galt <=-

If alien voter fraud is an issue, then acceptable identification should
be free.

Nope. Alien <anything> (and especially voting) is a CRIME. Making it
legal by a free ID is wrong, as the person is still an illegal alien.

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for
President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in
Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."

Otherwise, it's a poll tax.

Bullshit. It's a requirement to prove you are a citizen. I'm pretty
sure there are free state ID's in many cases. They don't have a social security number? That's an example of a free ID. How about a fucking
birth certificate or naturalization certificate?

How do you reconcile the fact that nobody bitches about having to show
an ID to buy liquor/cigarretes, or to cash a check, or a thousand other things? Why is having to do that for VOTING such a burden on anybody?

If you don't make identification required to vote free, it's not protecting the vote, it's disenfranchising voters. Poor voters, who generally vote democratic.

Bullshit again - it's a safeguard against illegal voting. I don't care
how poor you are, you can get an ID, or should already have one.

I bet Bernie Sanders and Gavin Newsome would agree with you though.




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Main reason I got a passport was that you need one to get back *into* the USA after you visit Canada. That was over 10 years ago when I got it. I wonder if a Real ID would suffice now, or if you still need the passport?

Some states have enhanced drivers/identification cards that can let you in
thru Canada without passport.

The problem wasn't getting out of the US into Canada but coming back. The requirements for return into the US were higher than for entering Canada.

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If alien voter fraud is an issue, then acceptable identification should be free.

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any po tax or other tax."

Otherwise, it's a poll tax.

No it really isn't so long as that is not the only thing the ID is good
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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: MIKE POWELL to UTOPIAN GALT on Sat Feb 14 2026 08:19 am

Main reason I got a passport was that you need one to
get back *into* the USA after you visit Canada. That was over 10 years ago when I got it. I wonder if a Real ID would suffice now,
or if you still need the passport?

Some states have enhanced drivers/identification cards that can let
you in thru Canada without passport.

The problem wasn't getting out of the US into Canada but coming
back. The requirements for return into the US were higher than
for entering Canada.

i wouldnt trust people saying it's easy to enter and leave with this and
that.

If you are going there and back bring ALL your shit.
I wouldn't even go there, I wouldn't consider it a friendly country to the usa.

They hate trump and believe that remark he made about taking over canada [even though it would be better for them but worse for us]. They've got their own issues but still think about trump.


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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Gamgee to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Feb 14 2026 07:56 am

Bullshit. It's a requirement to prove you are a citizen. I'm pretty sure there are free state ID's in many cases. They don't have a social security number? That's an example of a free ID. How about a fucking birth certificate or naturalization certificate?

How do you reconcile the fact that nobody bitches about having to show an ID to buy liquor/cigarretes, or to cash a check, or a thousand other things? Why is having to do that for VOTING such a burden on anybody?

I didn't realize people were complaining about having to show an ID to vote. But I think one of the problems I've noticed, at least in some states (including mine), is that a state-issued driver's license can be accepted to vote, and you don't need to be a US citizen to get a driver's license in the state. So that means there could be non-citizens voting. In order to vote, I'd think they should require ID that proves you're a citizen, such as a passport, social security card, etc..

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Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

Bullshit. It's a requirement to prove you are a citizen. I'm pretty sure there are free state ID's in many cases. They don't have a social security number? That's an example of a free ID. How about a fucking birth certificate or naturalization certificate?

How do you reconcile the fact that nobody bitches about having to show an ID to buy liquor/cigarretes, or to cash a check, or a thousand other things? Why is having to do that for VOTING such a burden on anybody?

I didn't realize people were complaining about having to show an ID to vote.

Oh yes, it's one of the HUGE issues to the far-left side of the
political spectrum (and ONLY that part of the political spectrum). The reasons they don't want that are.... obvious.

But I think one of the problems I've noticed, at least in some
states (including mine), is that a state-issued driver's license can be accepted to vote, and you don't need to be a US citizen to get a
driver's license in the state.

Yes, that is a problem. There are some non-citizens (those that are
here legally on a work visa, or similar) that do need a driver's
license. But yes, that leaves a loophole for voting if all that is
needed to show eligibility is a DL.

So that means there could be
non-citizens voting. In order to vote, I'd think they should require
ID that proves you're a citizen, such as a passport, social security
card, etc..

Absolutely agree 100%. So does every other sensible American citizen.




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How do you reconcile the fact that nobody bitches about having to show
an ID to buy liquor/cigarretes, or to cash a check, or a thousand other things? Why is having to do that for VOTING such a burden on anybody?

Best as I can tell he says he has never had to show ID to do those things
and therefore assumes neither have anyone else. <shrugs>
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On 2/14/2026 4:03 PM, GAMGEE wrote to NIGHTFOX:

Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

Bullshit. It's a requirement to prove you are a citizen. I'm pretty sure
there are free state ID's in many cases. They don't have a social security number? That's an example of a free ID. How about a fucking birth certificate or naturalization certificate?

How do you reconcile the fact that nobody bitches about having to show an
ID to buy liquor/cigarretes, or to cash a check, or a thousand other things? Why is having to do that for VOTING such a burden on anybody?

I didn't realize people were complaining about having to show an ID to vote.

Oh yes, it's one of the HUGE issues to the far-left side of the
political spectrum (and ONLY that part of the political spectrum). The reasons they don't want that are.... obvious.

I have no issues with Showing my driver's license at the Poons. Here in New York, at
least when you go to get your driver's license or your real ID license Do you have the
option of signing up to vote. When I went to get mine, I did. I got my voter registration
and I was 50 years old. Which was two years ago. :) Unfortunately I wish I had Register
to vote when I became of legal age to do so. I guess the reason why I didn't is because I
always thought that my vote didn't count.

But I think one of the problems I've noticed, at least in some
states (including mine), is that a state-issued driver's license can be accepted to vote, and you don't need to be a US citizen to get a driver's license in the state.

Yes, that is a problem. There are some non-citizens (those that are
here legally on a work visa, or similar) that do need a driver's
license. But yes, that leaves a loophole for voting if all that is
needed to show eligibility is a DL.

Absolutely agree 100%. So does every other sensible American citizen.

I must be sensible then, because I totally agree with you 100% as well
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MIKE POWELL wrote to GAMGEE <=-

How do you reconcile the fact that nobody bitches about having to show
an ID to buy liquor/cigarretes, or to cash a check, or a thousand other things? Why is having to do that for VOTING such a burden on anybody?

Best as I can tell he says he has never had to show ID to do those
things and therefore assumes neither have anyone else. <shrugs>

Yep, spot on.

Another thing you may have noticed is that he hasn't, and won't, respond
to my post, because it asks questions (like above) that are too hard to answer. Very typical of the Lefties.

Just to reinforce the whole point of my previous post (not for you, but
for others) - I simply cannot understand why the Left (in general) is
*SO* opposed to requiring ID to vote. They claim it's because some
people ("the poor") are UNABLE to get any ID. If someone can explain to
me why it's harder for a "poor person" to acquire an ID than it is for
anybody else, I'd be very thankful.

I know I'm dumb (as a run-of-the-mill educated middle class white boy),
but I just can't understand that "logic".


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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Gamgee to MIKE POWELL on Sun Feb 15 2026 10:31 am

Just to reinforce the whole point of my previous post (not for you, but for others) - I simply cannot understand why the Left (in general) is *SO* opposed to requiring ID to vote. They claim it's because some
people ("the poor") are UNABLE to get any ID. If someone can explain to me why it's harder for a "poor person" to acquire an ID than it is for anybody else, I'd be very thankful.

It all goes to the progressive Democrat's that crave ultimate power.
They opened the floodgates during Bidens term and let 15 million + potential voters come in un vetted.
The left is opposed to voter ID because they believe 85% of illegal's will vote in their favor.


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Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

If alien voter fraud is an issue, then acceptable identification should
be free.

Nope. Alien <anything> (and especially voting) is a CRIME. Making it legal by a free ID is wrong, as the person is still an illegal alien.

No, the idea is to require voter ID and make acceptable ID available for
free to citizens - not provide IDs to illegal aliens to vote.

The heritage foundation reported 77 cases of illegal alien voter fraud
between 2003 and 2023. The SAVE act is about disenfranchising voters.

other election for President or Vice President, for electors for
President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in
Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax."

Otherwise, it's a poll tax.

Bullshit. It's a requirement to prove you are a citizen. I'm pretty
sure there are free state ID's in many cases. They don't have a social security number? That's an example of a free ID. How about a fucking birth certificate or naturalization certificate?

You may want to re-read the requirements of the SAVE act. A verified
SSN is needed in many states (if not all) to register to vote, but the
SAVE act is requiring additional proof at time of voting.

Millions lack access to a paper copy of their birth certificate. The
SAVE Act would disenfranchise Americans of all ages and races, but
younger voters and voters of color would suffer disproportionately.
Likewise, millions of women whose married names arenican citizens to show
documents like a passport or birth certificate to register to vote. Our
research shows that more than 21 million Americans lack ready access to
those documents.

How do you reconcile the fact that nobody bitches about having to show
an ID to buy liquor/cigarretes, or to cash a check, or a thousand other things? Why is having to do that for VOTING such a burden on anybody?

Last I checked, I didn't need to show a passport and proof of residency
for any of those things.

As always, digging a little deeper pays off. The SAVE America act,
the senate form of the bill, requires a passport or birth certificate to register and cast a ballot, unless the state submits their voter rolls
to DHS for verification - something the courts have overturned.




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MIKE POWELL wrote to UTOPIAN GALT <=-

The problem wasn't getting out of the US into Canada but coming back.
The requirements for return into the US were higher than for entering Canada.

Yeah, my wife has an English passport and is worried about visiting her
family - not getting there, coming back in.

Her story is illuminating. She has had a green card since the 1980s, and
hers didn't have an expiration date. It's perfectly valid, but TSA
threatened to withhold it on more than one occasion. She tried to get a replacement, but they saw her green card as valid and didn't see a need
to replace it. Then COVID hit, and it took 3 years for a replacement.
Luckily, during that time we were able to get a receipt showing her
new GC was in process, which worked once. Now she has a valid green
card, but who knows?

from https://prismreports.org/2025/09/09/under-trump-the-criminal-legal-system-now-targets-another-population-green-card-holders/

"There's no way to tell who's going to be targeted by the government
when they're trying to return," said Ría Thompson-Washington, the
president of the National Lawyers Guild. "We see this as an escalation
of attacks on immigrants, on people who have protected status."

Among the known public cases, most of the immigrants targeted by the
Trump administration were returning from overseas trips and nabbed by immigration officials when reentering the U.S.

"It's a very scary time for people to make decisions about whether
they're going to be able to get back into the country and under what circumstances," Thompson-Washington said.



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Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

I didn't realize people were complaining about having to show an ID to vote. But I think one of the problems I've noticed, at least in some states (including mine), is that a state-issued driver's license can be accepted to vote, and you don't need to be a US citizen to get a
driver's license in the state.

It varies by state, but I'd be surprised if you didn't need proof of
citizenship to *register* to vote in every state. In California, you
need proof of citizenship and registry in California to register.

A photo ID is then needed to verify that you are the registered voter
the first time you vote. After that, you may be asked if they don't
have your ID information online.

The list of acceptable documents is pretty comprehensive to prove
identity at the voting booth. Your citizenship is documented at time of
registration.

It's been a while since I've voted at a polling place. I started doing
vote by mail when my mother was unable to travel to a polling place so
I knew the process. That's another facet of the many SAVE bills is to
also limit mail-in voting.

The number of illegal aliens voting is quite low, certainly too low to
merit this effort. Something else is afoot - voter disenfrancisement
and collecting information on citizens by DHS.

Did you know that one of the drafts of the the SAVE America act says
that if a state sends their registration rolls to DHS, they don't need
to check voter ID at the polling place? That collection of state
polling data by the US government is something the courts have shut
down multiple times.







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Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

Oh yes, it's one of the HUGE issues to the far-left side of the
political spectrum (and ONLY that part of the political spectrum). The reasons they don't want that are.... obvious.

States rights? Reducing disenfranchisement of valid voters? Reducing
the government's illegal request for state voter rolls?

Yes, that is a problem. There are some non-citizens (those that are
here legally on a work visa, or similar) that do need a driver's
license. But yes, that leaves a loophole for voting if all that is
needed to show eligibility is a DL.

In most states, You need a photo ID to proof identity at the voting
booth. You need proof of residency and citizenship to register to vote.

I feel like that's a detail that's getting left out of the
conversation.

So that means there could be
non-citizens voting. In order to vote, I'd think they should require
ID that proves you're a citizen, such as a passport, social security
card, etc..

Absolutely agree 100%. So does every other sensible American citizen.

See above.



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MIKE POWELL wrote to GAMGEE <=-

How do you reconcile the fact that nobody bitches about having to show
an ID to buy liquor/cigarretes, or to cash a check, or a thousand other things? Why is having to do that for VOTING such a burden on anybody?

Best as I can tell he says he has never had to show ID to do those
things and therefore assumes neither have anyone else. <shrugs>

I've shown my drivers license to prove my age when buying
liquor/cigarettes, and to prove my identity when cashing a check. I've
not needed to prove citizenship to do so.




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Robert Wolfe wrote to GAMGEE <=-

Yes, that is a problem. There are some non-citizens (those that are
here legally on a work visa, or similar) that do need a driver's
license. But yes, that leaves a loophole for voting if all that is
needed to show eligibility is a DL.

Absolutely agree 100%. So does every other sensible American citizen.

I must be sensible then, because I totally agree with you 100% as well

The premise is invalid. You need to show proof of citizenship *and*
residency when registering to vote.

A non-citizen wouldn't be able to register to vote with just a DL - and
photo ID is required the first time you vote, at least that's how it's
done in my state.




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Gamgee wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

Another thing you may have noticed is that he hasn't, and won't,
respond to my post, because it asks questions (like above) that are too hard to answer. Very typical of the Lefties.

I must be in Gamgee's twit filter. I see a couple of replies in this
packet alone.

Just to reinforce the whole point of my previous post (not for you, but for others) - I simply cannot understand why the Left (in general) is
*SO* opposed to requiring ID to vote. They claim it's because some
people ("the poor") are UNABLE to get any ID. If someone can explain
to me why it's harder for a "poor person" to acquire an ID than it is
for anybody else, I'd be very thankful.

Your argument is reductive. I'm not opposed to proof of identity to
vote. I, as someone you've lumped dismissively into a group you call
"lefties" on multiple occasions, think that's a good idea in theory, as
long as proof is not burdensome. Citizenship and residency are already
proven at the time of registration, and illegal voting is a red herring. Everyone agrees that illegal aliens voting is bad. How many documented
cases of illegal voting have there been?

There are other factors at play here, like disenfranchising poorer, predominately democratic voters. Eliminating mail-in voting. coercing
states to provide voter rolls, something that's failed in court multiple
times.

In the words of the head of the head of DHS, Noem said, `We've been
proactive to make sure we have the right people voting, electing the
right leaders to lead this country.'

I know I'm dumb (as a run-of-the-mill educated middle class white boy), but I just can't understand that "logic".

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Denn wrote to Gamgee <=-

It all goes to the progressive Democrat's that crave ultimate power.
They opened the floodgates during Bidens term and let 15 million + potential voters come in un vetted.

The left is opposed to voter ID because they believe 85% of illegal's will vote in their favor.

False.

As for the 15 million potential voters during Biden's presidency:

Based on available data, the claim that President Biden "let in" 15
million people is inaccurate; however, his administration has overseen record-high numbers of border encounters and releases. Total Encounters
(Not Admissions): From February 2021 through late 2024, U.S. Customs and
Border Protection (CBP) recorded more than 10 million nationwide
encounters with migrants. Encounters vs. Releases: "Encounters" refers
to events, not individuals, and includes people who are immediately
deported or expelled.

The total number of people released into the U.S.
is lower than the total encounter number. Estimated Releases: Reports
indicate that over 2 million to 3.6 million people were released into
the country to await immigration court hearings during this period.

"Gotaways": Estimates suggest roughly 2 million known "gotaways" evaded
border patrol during the Biden administration.

Misleading Claims: The figure of 15-20 million is often used by
political opponents, but fact-checkers have labeled claims that this
many people were "let in" as false or misleading, as they confuse total
border encounters with the net increase in the undocumented population.
While the number of people released is historically high, it does not
reach the 15 million mark mentioned in some political discourse.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Robert Wolfe to GAMGEE on Sun Feb 15 2026 09:42 am

always thought that my vote didn't count.

What made you change your mind?

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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

States rights? Reducing disenfranchisement of valid voters? Reducing
the government's illegal request for state voter rolls?

It would be helpful to reduce duplicate votes. We have it in California
where we send ballots to people who obviously left our state 4 years later.
If I moved to Georgia, my registration from California should be automatically canceled
within a month after registering.




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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MIKE POWELL on Mon Feb 16 2026 10:31 am

Her story is illuminating. She has had a green card since the 1980s,
and hers didn't have an expiration date. It's perfectly valid, but
TSA threatened to withhold it on more than one occasion. She tried
to get a replacement, but they saw her green card as valid and
didn't see a need to replace it. Then COVID hit, and it took 3 years
for a replacement. Luckily, during that time we were able to get a

bullshit.

every green card for resident aliens expire in 10 years.
that's how it works.
i lived with a woman with a green card. she had to renew it during covid.
she got it quite promptly.

receipt showing her new GC was in process, which worked once. Now she
has a valid green card, but who knows?

certainly not you because you don't know your wife's business obviously.

Among the known public cases, most of the immigrants targeted
by the Trump administration were returning from overseas trips and
nabbed by immigration officials when reentering the U.S.

"It's a very scary time for people to make decisions about whether
they're going to be able to get back into the country and under what circumstances," Thompson-Washington said.

more bullshit ignorant fear mongering. if the person is not a criminal, they have nothing to worry about. if they commit crimes as a resident alien, they might be deported.


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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Robert Wolfe on Mon Feb 16 2026 1

The premise is invalid. You need to show proof of citizenship *and* residency when registering to vote.

no you dont.
god damn are you smoking the democrat crack pipe today.


you show your id to prove who you are and you have to provide proof of redidency when you register to vote.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Utopian Galt to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Feb 16 2026 06:47 pm

poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

States rights? Reducing disenfranchisement of valid voters? Reducing the government's illegal request for state voter rolls?

It would be helpful to reduce duplicate votes. We have it in
California where we send ballots to people who obviously left our
state 4 years later. If I moved to Georgia, my registration
from California should be automatically canceled within a month
after registering.

back when trump was running for election the first time there were 2
coworkers of mine who got multiple mail in ballots for people they didnt
know to their address. ther was also video of mailmen selling stacks of mail in ballots to people.


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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Denn to Gamgee on Sun Feb 15 2026 02:58 pm

The left is opposed to voter ID because they believe 85% of illegal's will vote in their favor.

There's plenty of stupid 'real Americans' who will also...

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: MRO to Utopian Galt on Tue Feb 17 2026 02:28 am

back when trump was running for election the first time there were 2 coworkers of mine who got multiple mail in ballots for people they didnt know to their address. ther was also video of mailmen selling stacks of mail in ballots to people.

A few years after my Dad passed away, my brother who lives in CA got ballots for him in his name. I don't know if he got one last year.

However, my Dad has never lived in CA... not once in his life.

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³ There are other factors at play here, like disenfranchising poorer,
³ predominately democratic voters. Eliminating mail-in voting. coercing
³ states to provide voter rolls, something that's failed in court multiple
³ times.
ÀÄ[PF=>G]

FWIW, in Kentucky and some surrounding states, those most likely to be disenfranchised because they are "poor" are going to be predominately white Appalachians who predominately vote Republican.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Denn to Gamgee on Sun Feb 15 2026 02:58 pm

The left is opposed to voter ID because they believe 85% of illegal's will vote in their favor.

There's plenty of stupid 'real Americans' who will also...

There's never been a presidential election swayed by illegal voting.
There's more at work here.



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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Bf2k+ to MRO on Tue Feb 17 2026 06:06 am

Re: Re: Bbsing
By: MRO to Utopian Galt on Tue Feb 17 2026 02:28 am

back when trump was running for election the first time there were
2 coworkers of mine who got multiple mail in ballots for people
they didnt know to their address. ther was also video of mailmen
selling stacks of mail in ballots to people.

A few years after my Dad passed away, my brother who lives in CA got
ballots for him in his name. I don't know if he got one last year.

However, my Dad has never lived in CA... not once in his life.

and someone is manually requesting it for him. that's scary.
i also believe i said that years ago in my hometown someone was voting for me when i wasnt voting. i was able to track it on my state website.


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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bf2k+ on Tue Feb 17 2026 06:55 am

Bf2k+ wrote to Denn <=-

Re: Re: Bbsing By: Denn to Gamgee on Sun Feb 15 2026 02:58 pm

The left is opposed to voter ID because they believe 85% of illegal's will vote in their favor.

There's plenty of stupid 'real Americans' who will also...

There's never been a presidential election swayed by illegal voting.
There's more at work here.

if i didn't know this guy for 20 years i'd swear he's a bot.


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On 17 Feb 2026, MRO said the following...

if i didn't know this guy for 20 years i'd swear he's a bot.

most of the responses are the same. an example of the message template:

when pF posts, something is off - as if he were a robot.

or

when father came home it was lights out - no more television.

very strange wording every single time.
something's amiss.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: fusion to MRO on Tue Feb 17 2026 05:22 pm

On 17 Feb 2026, MRO said the following...

if i didn't know this guy for 20 years i'd swear he's a bot.

most of the responses are the same. an example of the message
template:

when pF posts, something is off - as if he were a robot.

or

when father came home it was lights out - no more television.

very strange wording every single time. something's amiss.

he talks like some facebook/instagram bot.
it doesn't even seem like he has conversations. he's like a guy in an insane asylum having a conversation with a wall. he name drops old tech and stuff about punchcards. or talking about using wifi in a coffee house all the
time.

he was my feed for a msg net and his uptime was horrible. then later he was the feed for a buddy of mine and same issue.

it's hard to believe he's a manager, i honestly think he has some touch of dementia.

notice on his website on the bottom he's using a hispanic guy in a hoody as his photo.
https://www.kurtweiske.com/about/

on his twitter he looks even more like some bot
https://x.com/poindexter


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While the number of people released is historically high, it does not
reach the 15 million mark mentioned in some political discourse.

So the claim in inaccurate but the facts are still "historically" not
good. ;)

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The premise is invalid. You need to show proof of citizenship *and* residency when registering to vote.

When I went to get my Real-ID drivers license I had my passport with me,
ready to show.

A non-citizen wouldn't be able to register to vote with just a DL - and photo ID is required the first time you vote, at least that's how it's
done in my state.

Same here, but every time I vote we have to show our photo ID.
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always thought that my vote didn't count.

What made you change your mind?

Would rather not start a heated political debate here, so I will take
the 5th on that one.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Robert Wolfe to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed Feb 18 2026 09:19 am

A non-citizen wouldn't be able to register to vote with just a DL -
and photo ID is required the first time you vote, at least that's
how it's done in my state.

Same here, but every time I vote we have to show our photo ID.

in my state when you register in person you show photo id and then a utility bill to prove you live in that area. then every time you show id and they look you up in the book.


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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bf2k+ on Tue Feb 17 2026 06:55 am

There's never been a presidential election swayed by illegal voting. There's more at work here.

The 1960 election would like to say something.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Utopian Galt to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Feb 20 2026 0

Re: Re: Bbsing By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bf2k+ on Tue Feb 17 2026
06:55 am

There's never been a presidential election swayed by illegal voting. There's more at work here.

The 1960 election would like to say something.

also we have several examples of voter fraud on paper, on camera and with
first hand witnesses.

if you look on poindexer's twitter you see he's too busy deep throating
gavin to see past his balls.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Utopian Galt on Sat Feb 21 2026 0

There's more at work here.

The 1960 election would like to say something.

I meant "people in this country illegally" voting. Point taken about
the 1960 election, however.

yeah that happened too. people went to court over it.


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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Sat Feb 14 2026 09:01 am

>

I didn't realize people were complaining about having to show an ID to vote. But I think one of the problems I've noticed, at least in some states (including mine), is that a state-issued driver's license can be accepted to vote, and you don't need to be a US citizen to get a driver's license in the state. So that means there could be non-citizens voting. In order to vote, I'd think they should require ID that proves you're a citizen, such as a passport, social security card, etc..

In Spain, voters are pre-registered. This means each voting table has a list of people who is allowed to vote at that table. In order to vote you need to show up with your National Identity Card and they check you and your card are in that list before they let you vote.

National Identity Card is an "existence tax" and it is mandatory to have past a given age. It also has a cryptographical chip with a certificate for use for signing and online banking and such.

I hate the fact it is mandatory for existing but the idea of voting tables that don't perform verifications is bananas. In fact the reason why so many people were wary of the Catanolian independence referendum was there was no verification mechanism in place so there was no way to guarantee people was not voting more than once at different tables.


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Utopian Galt wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bf2k+ on Tue Feb 17 2026 06:55 am

There's never been a presidential election swayed by illegal voting. There's more at work here.

The 1960 election would like to say something.

I meant "people in this country illegally" voting. Point taken about
the 1960 election, however.

Well.... do you think they would tell us if there was illegal voting
these days? Because I don't think they would.



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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Utopian Galt to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Feb 20 2026 09:14 pm

Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bf2k+ on Tue Feb 17 2026 06:55 am

There's never been a presidential election swayed by illegal voting. There's more at work here.

The 1960 election would like to say something.

As would the state of GA in 2020...

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Well.... do you think they would tell us if there was illegal voting
these days? Because I don't think they would.

I think they would if (1) they had hard evidence and (2) the voting was
not going in their party's favor.

So, if they know and it is benefiting them, they damn sure aren't going to tell you about it.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Bf2k+ to Utopian Galt on Sun Feb 22 2026 10:35 am

As would the state of GA in 2020...

Again, I meant to say illegal aliens voting.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bf2k+ on Sun Feb 22 2026 04:57 pm

Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Bf2k+ to Utopian Galt on Sun Feb 22 2026 10:35 am

As would the state of GA in 2020...

Again, I meant to say illegal aliens voting.

you people are supposed to say UNDOCUMENTED TAX PAYER


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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bf2k+ on Sun Feb 22 2026 04:57 pm

Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Bf2k+ to Utopian Galt on Sun Feb 22 2026 10:35 am

As would the state of GA in 2020...

Again, I meant to say illegal aliens voting.

I know you meant that. My comment was more based on illegal activities during voting...

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jim Singleton on Wed Feb 04 2026 03:13 pm

Jim Singleton wrote to Nightfox <=-

I remember having a cigarette vending machine in our cafeteria at work and being able to smoke at my desk at work in this time period.

My first boss, in the early '90s, used to regale us of stories of "work used to be". Smoking rooms, a "shine boy" for your shoes, coffee carts going from office to office. No voicemail, there were "the girls" in an office behind the front desk that wrote down messages and put them up at the front desk.

Odd to think that he was about the same age I am now.

"Why, in my day, we didn't have email, if something was important, you'd send a FAX!"

... Socks are carcinogenic.

we still use fax for a few things even today.
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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jim Singleton on Sun Feb 08 2026 08:53 am

Jim Singleton wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

We still use a fax machine/copier in my office from time to time.

I'm going through a thing at work where half of the older employees are pushing to upgrade our multi-function printers, the other half wonder
why they're bothering.

I do like being able to scan paper copy to PDFs, though.

i often think we are using more paper now than ever.
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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Jim Singleton to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Feb 27 2026 01:18 pm

i often think we are using more paper now than ever. Jim Singleton

More and more these days, I wish people would email you things as PDFs or similar so I could open it up on my computer (or perhaps smartphone).. I feel like it would be easier to have scanned/digital copies of documents.

I bought a new car a few years ago, and I scanned all the paperwork into a PDF so I can look at it more easily if I need to, and that has been useful a couple times.

Recently I've been looking for work, as I was laid off in September. I've been attending a weekly job search networking group (they have various topics each week), and the person who organizes it sometimes gives printed handouts. She has most of our email addresses though, since it's possible to pre-register for it, and she does send job postings via PDF; I think it would be useful if the paper handouts she has were instead emailed as PDFs. I imagine she probably prints them off from some electronic source anyway; they could probably be easily saved as a PDF to be sent out via email.

Nightfox

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I do like being able to scan paper copy to PDFs, though.

i often think we are using more paper now than ever.

Hard no.

At my first job, we had a midrange computer managing ordering, sales,
inventory, accounting and GL for a university bookstore We had
terminals for sales lookups and ordering, but most of the business ran
on the reams of greenbar 11x17 paper reports I printed out after store
closing and distributed to mailboxes for morning pickup.

I mentioned earlier that I'm involved in office moves and setups, my
team handles IT. We had half of a new office asking to not move the
printer, the office head, who's my age, insisted that we get the
printer set up ASAP.



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Nightfox wrote to Jim Singleton <=-

More and more these days, I wish people would email you things as PDFs
or similar so I could open it up on my computer (or perhaps
smartphone).. I feel like it would be easier to have scanned/digital copies of documents.

A couple of jobs ago, I was responsible for managing 6 sites in the
local area. I got in the habit of using the scan to email feature of
our big MFPs and scanned every piece of paper I had.

I should spend a weekend and scan everything I have now at home.

Recently I've been looking for work, as I was laid off in September.
I've been attending a weekly job search networking group (they have various topics each week), and the person who organizes it sometimes
gives printed handouts. She has most of our email addresses though,
since it's possible to pre-register for it, and she does send job
postings via PDF; I think it would be useful if the paper handouts she
has were instead emailed as PDFs. I imagine she probably prints them
off from some electronic source anyway; they could probably be easily saved as a PDF to be sent out via email.

Good luck in your job search. I spent 2016-2017 looking for a job, and
part of 2018. I had some career coach sessions that helped some. Two
takeaways I had from that were to focus on making stories compelling,
and using what people refer to as a SCAR/STAR portfolio.

Describe a Situation, the Challenge it presented, the Actions you took,
and the Results to the company and the people - and do it in a way
that's compelling. How did it affect the company, change people's
workflow? Make life easier for employees?

The second thing that helped was applying that SCAR methodology to
every job you've done. It's too easy to focus on the most recent
events, especially when you're laid off. Go back over your entire
career, you've got compelling stories of how you helped a company
succeed that you've forgotten. That's a real shot in the arm.

If you're walking, keep doing it. If not, start at least once a day.
Get out, stretch out, get some air, and some sunlight. It made a huge
difference in my mindset.



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Re: Re: Paper
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Feb 28 2026 08:28 am

Good luck in your job search. I spent 2016-2017 looking for a job, and part of 2018. I had some career coach sessions that helped some. Two takeaways I had from that were to focus on making stories compelling, and using what people refer to as a SCAR/STAR portfolio.

Thanks. I've heard similar strategies.

If you're walking, keep doing it. If not, start at least once a day. Get out, stretch out, get some air, and some sunlight. It made a huge difference in my mindset.

I might do that. Thanks.

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Re: Paper
By: Nightfox to Jim Singleton on Fri Feb 27 2026 01:25 pm

Re: Re: Bbsing
By: Jim Singleton to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Feb 27 2026 01:18 pm

i often think we are using more paper now than ever. Jim Singleton

More and more these days, I wish people would email you things as PDFs or similar so I could open it up on my computer (or perhaps smartphone).. I fe like it would be easier to have scanned/digital copies of documents.

I bought a new car a few years ago, and I scanned all the paperwork into a P so I can look at it more easily if I need to, and that has been useful a cou times.

Recently I've been looking for work, as I was laid off in September. I've b attending a weekly job search networking group (they have various topics eac week), and the person who organizes it sometimes gives printed handouts. Sh has most of our email addresses though, since it's possible to pre-register it, and she does send job postings via PDF; I think it would be useful if th paper handouts she has were instead emailed as PDFs. I imagine she probably prints them off from some electronic source anyway; they could probably be easily saved as a PDF to be sent out via email.

Nightfox

I like that idea of creating a PDF. And of course, it could be printed off as needed. I have a weekend project now.

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Re: Re: Bbsing
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Jim Singleton on Sat Feb 28 2026 08:28 am

Jim Singleton wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I do like being able to scan paper copy to PDFs, though.

i often think we are using more paper now than ever.

Hard no.

At my first job, we had a midrange computer managing ordering, sales,
inventory, accounting and GL for a university bookstore We had
terminals for sales lookups and ordering, but most of the business ran
on the reams of greenbar 11x17 paper reports I printed out after store
closing and distributed to mailboxes for morning pickup.

I mentioned earlier that I'm involved in office moves and setups, my
team handles IT. We had half of a new office asking to not move the
printer, the office head, who's my age, insisted that we get the
printer set up ASAP.

First get the computer side working then get that printer up and printing. I can remember a time when the single printer we had at work failed and I was sent out to a local 'computer store' immediately with cash to get a new one. That day.
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Jim Singleton wrote to Nightfox <=-

I like that idea of creating a PDF. And of course, it could be printed
off as needed. I have a weekend project now.

There are some pretty nice scanning tools out there now - my Canon
inkjet has a scanner and a paper feeder, I swear by that. All of our
printers in the offices scan *very* quickly - and there's a Microsoft
and Google PDF scanner for Android I've played with.

What I can't stand are Adobe PDF products - expensive, hard to manage,
and they all want to save to Adobe Cloud, which we don't use. I'm in
the market for a small, lightweight PDF editor.



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